And the insertion of a suction cannula during the abortion is what?
The insertion of a speculum during a follow-up exam is what?
It would be nice if the MSM printed the descriptions of the pain induced by a suction that is 16x more powerful than a household vacuum cleaner. Posted by: Gerard Nadal at May 4, 2010 6:42 AM
If you read the link to the actual bill, this clearly states that the ultra sound can be done vaginally or abdominal. It also states that the woman does not have to look at the ultrasound by the technician must accurately inform her of fetal development. Surely no one objects to informed consent??? I thought that is what choice is all about? Clearly the MSM either was too lazy to read the bill or deliberately misled casual readers. Either is unconscionable.
Susie, I actually did read the bill as I am sure the MSM did. The woman does not have the power to refuse the ultrasound. Nor does she have the power to decide whether it is done internally or externally. As I said, the insertions on the vaginal ultrasound probe is done WITHOUT the woman's consent.
Clearly either you were too lazy to read the bill, misunderstood it, or deliberately misled casual readers. Any of these are unconscionable.
Why would the woman refuse the ultrasound. It is done to determine the stage of pregnancy so they know what type of abortion she will get. If her aversion is having something inserted, how do you think they are going to get the baby out? They are going to put a tube in her that forcefully sucks out the baby or fetus..offspring
Perform an obstetric ultrasound on the pregnant woman, using either a vaginal transducer or an abdominal transducer, whichever would display the embryo or fetus more clearly;
Straight from the bill which ever method shows the fetus more clearly. There are times that an abdominal ultra sound is not clear.
I once had a woman who had an abortion in Nashville tell me that she asked to see the ultrasound which was done with an abdominal transducer and they showed it to her but it was very grainy and hard to see anything. The other woman in there asked to see hers and they refused giving no reason. I bet hers was clearer.
"Straight from the bill which ever method shows the fetus more clearly."
Exactly Susie. The woman does not have the right to refuse a vaginal insertion. What part of this do you not understand? Or or you intentionally misleading?
To the other anonymous who suggested they are using the ultrasound to determine the weeks of pregnancy: First, they do not reqire a vaginal probe for this. Second, they also may not do a surgical abortion. And third, it shouldn't be up to anyone other than the woman what is inserted in her vagina and how many times. many times
And the insertion of a suction cannula during the abortion is what?
ReplyDeleteThe insertion of a speculum during a follow-up exam is what?
It would be nice if the MSM printed the descriptions of the pain induced by a suction that is 16x more powerful than a household vacuum cleaner.
Posted by: Gerard Nadal at May 4, 2010 6:42 AM
The difference, which Gerard Nadal fails to recognize, is that those insertions are done with the woman's consent.
ReplyDeleteIf you read the link to the actual bill, this clearly states that the ultra sound can be done vaginally or abdominal. It also states that the woman does not have to look at the ultrasound by the technician must accurately inform her of fetal development. Surely no one objects to informed consent??? I thought that is what choice is all about?
ReplyDeleteClearly the MSM either was too lazy to read the bill or deliberately misled casual readers. Either is unconscionable.
Susie, I actually did read the bill as I am sure the MSM did. The woman does not have the power to refuse the ultrasound. Nor does she have the power to decide whether it is done internally or externally. As I said, the insertions on the vaginal ultrasound probe is done WITHOUT the woman's consent.
ReplyDeleteClearly either you were too lazy to read the bill, misunderstood it, or deliberately misled casual readers. Any of these are unconscionable.
Why would the woman refuse the ultrasound. It is done to determine the stage of pregnancy so they know what type of abortion she will get.
ReplyDeleteIf her aversion is having something inserted, how do you think they are going to get the baby out? They are going to put a tube in her that forcefully sucks out the baby or fetus..offspring
Perform an obstetric ultrasound on the pregnant woman, using either a vaginal transducer or an abdominal transducer, whichever would display the embryo or fetus more clearly;
ReplyDeleteStraight from the bill which ever method shows the fetus more clearly. There are times that an abdominal ultra sound is not clear.
I once had a woman who had an abortion in Nashville tell me that she asked to see the ultrasound which was done with an abdominal transducer and they showed it to her but it was very grainy and hard to see anything. The other woman in there asked to see hers and they refused giving no reason. I bet hers was clearer.
"Straight from the bill which ever method shows the fetus more clearly."
ReplyDeleteExactly Susie. The woman does not have the right to refuse a vaginal insertion. What part of this do you not understand? Or or you intentionally misleading?
To the other anonymous who suggested they are using the ultrasound to determine the weeks of pregnancy: First, they do not reqire a vaginal probe for this. Second, they also may not do a surgical abortion. And third, it shouldn't be up to anyone other than the woman what is inserted in her vagina and how many times. many times
"Straight from the bill which ever method shows the fetus more clearly."
ReplyDeleteExactly Susie. The woman would not have the right to refuse a vaginal probe.
So what do you not understand? Or were you intentionally misleading?