Pro Life thoughts in a pro choice world through the eyes of a convert.
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Our president speaks to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act when he was Senator Obama
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I see no problem with what Obama is arguing here. He's pretty clear: This act is unecessary. Doctors are already obligated by law to save the life of the infant if it is born alive and VIABLE. Now, the vast majority fo abortions are performed prior to viability. Either the fetus is too young to be viable or is malformed such that it will never be viable. it could be possible for a late term abortion to fail and the infant be born alive and the infant in fact be viable. If/when such a rare case were to occur, doctors are already beholden to treat the infant as a patient. As Obama suggests, this new law is unecessary.
The reality is that infants that survived abortions were left to die without medical intervention. As you as a reader of Jill Stanek knows she discovered these live births being left to die at Christ Hospital which was owned jointed by the UCC and ECLA and as a matter of fact the infamous Rev. Jeremiah Wright once served on that board. It was this very act that BHO sought to protect and he well knew it. As he said, it placed a burden on the mother who had decided to abort and of course the dr. who agreed to end the life.
We all know what Jill Stanek claims to have have witnessed.
Do I think Stanek is above making something up to fight her cause? No.
Do I realize that she, you and other staunch pro-lifers think that doctors who perform abortions cannot be trusted to protect a viable newborn who has survived an abortion? Yes. Because you think that abortion at any point, including contraception and the morning after pill is murder. But to most people, it is not. And this includes doctors. And that is why most people think that doctors can be trusted to treat a viable newborn. And they are already required to. As Oabama argued: this law was unecessary.
Yes, I believe her and the sworn testimony of her and other nurses who witnessed this. I also know in Nashville, nurses have called in and said that they have witnessed this but unlike Stanek are not willing to lose their jobs by speaking up. The doctor is contracted to abort the baby and if the baby survives the botched abortion, no I don't trust the dr. to do all to save the life of the baby. Funny the law was passed in IL after BHO left and passed by a wide margin in the US Congress. Even the pro aborts dared not vote for it and NARAL went neutral on it.
"Even the pro aborts dared not vote for it" Huh????? The majority of Congress is pro-choice so how could it have passed if they dared to not vote for it?
Of course you believe Stanek. But that doesn't mean it actually happened. And you want to believe that a doctor who would perform an abortion would not treat a viable infant that survived an abortion. That's because you view abortion differently. But it doesn't mean it's the case either.
BTW Susie, Obama said he would have supported the federal law, but not the IL version. There are certain important difference in the laws that raised opposition.
That is correct Susie: Pro Choice members supported it. And Obama said he would have supported it too. It did not raise the same concerns as the IL bill he voted against.
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I see no problem with what Obama is arguing here. He's pretty clear: This act is unecessary. Doctors are already obligated by law to save the life of the infant if it is born alive and VIABLE. Now, the vast majority fo abortions are performed prior to viability. Either the fetus is too young to be viable or is malformed such that it will never be viable. it could be possible for a late term abortion to fail and the infant be born alive and the infant in fact be viable. If/when such a rare case were to occur, doctors are already beholden to treat the infant as a patient. As Obama suggests, this new law is unecessary.
The reality is that infants that survived abortions were left to die without medical intervention. As you as a reader of Jill Stanek knows she discovered these live births being left to die at Christ Hospital which was owned jointed by the UCC and ECLA and as a matter of fact the infamous Rev. Jeremiah Wright once served on that board. It was this very act that BHO sought to protect and he well knew it. As he said, it placed a burden on the mother who had decided to abort and of course the dr. who agreed to end the life.
We all know what Jill Stanek claims to have have witnessed.
Do I think Stanek is above making something up to fight her cause? No.
Do I realize that she, you and other staunch pro-lifers think that doctors who perform abortions cannot be trusted to protect a viable newborn who has survived an abortion? Yes. Because you think that abortion at any point, including contraception and the morning after pill is murder. But to most people, it is not. And this includes doctors. And that is why most people think that doctors can be trusted to treat a viable newborn. And they are already required to. As Oabama argued: this law was unecessary.
Yes, I believe her and the sworn testimony of her and other nurses who witnessed this. I also know in Nashville, nurses have called in and said that they have witnessed this but unlike Stanek are not willing to lose their jobs by speaking up.
The doctor is contracted to abort the baby and if the baby survives the botched abortion, no I don't trust the dr. to do all to save the life of the baby. Funny the law was passed in IL after BHO left and passed by a wide margin in the US Congress. Even the pro aborts dared not vote for it and NARAL went neutral on it.
"Even the pro aborts dared not vote for it" Huh????? The majority of Congress is pro-choice so how could it have passed if they dared to not vote for it?
Of course you believe Stanek. But that doesn't mean it actually happened. And you want to believe that a doctor who would perform an abortion would not treat a viable infant that survived an abortion. That's because you view abortion differently. But it doesn't mean it's the case either.
BTW Susie, Obama said he would have supported the federal law, but not the IL version. There are certain important difference in the laws that raised opposition.
But maybe you now that....
Born Alive Infant Protection Act was even supported by the pro aborts in the US Congress. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
That is correct Susie: Pro Choice members supported it. And Obama said he would have supported it too. It did not raise the same concerns as the IL bill he voted against.
That is correct Susie. Pro Choice members did vote for it. And Obama would have too. It does not raise the same concerns that the IL bill raised.
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